#807 - Loops of Ropes
Given a circle \(C\) and an integer \(n > 1\), we perform the following operations.
In step \(0\), we choose two uniformly random points \(R_0\) and \(B_0\) on \(C\).
In step \(i\) (\(1 \leq i < n\)), we first choose a uniformly random point \(R_i\) on \(C\) and connect the points \(R_{i - 1}\) and \(R_i\) with a red rope; then choose a uniformly random point \(B_i\) on \(C\) and connect the points \(B_{i - 1}\) and \(B_i\) with a blue rope.
In step \(n\), we first connect the points \(R_{n - 1}\) and \(R_0\) with a red rope; then connect the points \(B_{n - 1}\) and \(B_0\) with a blue rope.
Each rope is straight between its two end points, and lies above all previous ropes.
After step \(n\), we get a loop of red ropes, and a loop of blue ropes.
Sometimes the two loops can be separated, as in the left figure below; sometimes they are "linked", hence cannot be separated, as in the middle and right figures below.
Let \(P(n)\) be the probability that the two loops can be separated.
For example, \(P(3) = \frac{11}{20}\) and \(P(5) \approx 0.4304177690\).
Find \(P(80)\), rounded to \(10\) digits after decimal point.
Problem text © Project Euler, licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. Original: projecteuler.net/problem=807. Published Sunday, 11th September 2022, 02:00 am. Solved by 157 members at time of mirroring.
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Probability Statistics. Expectation and state-based probability reasoning underpin pricing, risk, and statistical inference (Phases 7, 11, 13).
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Prerequisites
Lessons that prepare you:
13.2 Monte Carlo Estimation and Error Analysis · 19.5 Combinatorics: Counting, Binomials, and Inclusion–Exclusion · 19.14 Computational Complexity, Feasibility Estimation, and Proving Algorithms Correct · 19.4 Exact Arithmetic: Big Integers, Rationals, and Floating-Point Traps · 19.11 Integer Partitions and Counting Structures · 19.10 Search: Backtracking, Branch-and-Bound, Binary Search, Meet-in-the-Middle · 2.4 Taylor Series and Local Approximation · 3.1 Vectors, Multivariable Functions, and Level Sets · 5.1 Floating-Point Arithmetic, Conditioning, and Stability · 7.3 Independence, Conditional Probability, and Conditional Expectation · 7.2 Expectation, Moments, and Key Inequalities · 7.1 Probability Spaces, Random Variables, and Distributions
Recommended stepping-stone problems: #648 · #852 · #901
Concepts: combinatorics geometry numerical-methods probability brute-force-reduction
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- What exactly is the input to problem 807? Is it a bound (80), a supplied dataset, or a definition you must generate from?
- What is the required output - restate it precisely: a real number quoted to a stated precision, so the whole computation must control rounding error.
- Which objects exactly are in scope, and which are excluded by the wording (strict vs non-strict inequality, 'distinct', 'proper', 'below' vs 'up to')?
- What do the arguments of P(n), P(3) mean, and what is the value's type (count, sum, probability)?
- What are the edge cases: the smallest legal object, zero/one, ties, and the boundary at exactly 80?
- Why is brute force hard HERE specifically? Estimate the number of candidates implied by 80 and the cost of testing one.
- Which probability fact would, if true, collapse the search - and can you state it as a testable claim before you look for a proof?
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- Predict the strategy: in one sentence, what will your solution do? (The classification says probability - do you agree, and why?)
- Predict the complexity of your intended method in terms of N = 80, and the wall-clock time you expect. Write both down now.
- Predict the key data structure: what is stored, keyed by what, and how large will it get at full scale?
- Predict the failure mode: what is most likely to break - an off-by-one on the bound, a definition misread, precision, or memory?
- Predict the output of the small case from rung 3 BEFORE running it (the statement says: "we get a loop of red ropes, and a loop of blue ropes.") - then run it. A surprise here is worth more than an hour of debugging later.
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Which step of your solution were you least confident about, and what evidence would settle it?
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Where did the probability structure do the real work? Name the single observation that collapsed the search space.
Could you have reached the probability idea faster? Which words in the statement were pointing at it, and did you notice them?
What was the bug that cost you the most time, and what CLASS of bug was it (off-by-one, definition misread, precision, state under-specified)?
How would your solution change if the bound 80 were multiplied by 1000? Does it survive, or does it need a different idea?
What is the honest complexity of what you wrote (not what you intended), and where is the remaining slack?
Which problem you have already solved is this most similar to, and what is the shared skeleton - is it really 'probability' underneath?
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- Variation: change the bound (or a rule) in the statement. Does your method still work? What breaks first?
- Constraints: if the limit were 10× larger, which step fails, and what would you replace it with?
- Related problem: #648 · #852 · #901
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