#848 - Guessing with Sets
Two players play a game. At the start of the game each player secretly chooses an integer; the first player from \(1,...,n\) and the second player from \(1,...,m\). Then they take alternate turns, starting with the first player. The player, whose turn it is, displays a set of numbers and the other player tells whether their secret number is in the set or not. The player to correctly guess a set with a single number is the winner and the game ends.
Let \(p(m,n)\) be the winning probability of the first player assuming both players play optimally. For example \(p(1, n) = 1\) and \(p(m, 1) = 1/m\).
You are also given \(p(7,5) \approx 0.51428571\).
Find \(\displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^{20}\sum_{j=0}^{20} p(7^i, 5^j)\) and give your answer rounded to 8 digits after the decimal point.
Problem text © Project Euler, licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. Original: projecteuler.net/problem=848. Published Sunday, 18th June 2023, 02:00 am. Solved by 248 members at time of mirroring.
Why this is useful
Probability Statistics. Expectation and state-based probability reasoning underpin pricing, risk, and statistical inference (Phases 7, 11, 13).
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Prerequisites
Lessons that prepare you:
13.2 Monte Carlo Estimation and Error Analysis · 17.1 Python for Quants: NumPy, pandas, and Vectorization · 19.14 Computational Complexity, Feasibility Estimation, and Proving Algorithms Correct · 19.7 Dynamic Programming: Memoization and Tabulation · 19.4 Exact Arithmetic: Big Integers, Rationals, and Floating-Point Traps · 2.4 Taylor Series and Local Approximation · 5.1 Floating-Point Arithmetic, Conditioning, and Stability · 7.3 Independence, Conditional Probability, and Conditional Expectation · 7.2 Expectation, Moments, and Key Inequalities · 7.1 Probability Spaces, Random Variables, and Distributions
Recommended stepping-stone problems: #376 · #444 · #640
Concepts: game-theory numerical-methods probability brute-force-reduction
Likely techniques: hashing
Learning mode
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Understand the problem
- What exactly is the input to problem 848? Is it a bound (20), a supplied dataset, or a definition you must generate from?
- What is the required output - restate it precisely: a real number quoted to a stated precision, so the whole computation must control rounding error. Required format: give your answer rounded to 8 digits after the decimal point.
- Which objects exactly are in scope, and which are excluded by the wording (strict vs non-strict inequality, 'distinct', 'proper', 'below' vs 'up to')?
- What do the arguments of p(m,n), p(1,n) mean, and what is the value's type (count, sum, probability)?
- What are the edge cases: the smallest legal object, zero/one, ties, and the boundary at exactly 20?
- Why is brute force hard HERE specifically? Estimate the number of candidates implied by 20 and the cost of testing one.
- Which game-theory fact would, if true, collapse the search - and can you state it as a testable claim before you look for a proof?
Predict & plan (before you code)
- Predict the strategy: in one sentence, what will your solution do? (The classification says game-theory / hashing - do you agree, and why?)
- Predict the complexity of your intended method in terms of N = 20, and the wall-clock time you expect. Write both down now.
- Predict the key data structure: what is stored, keyed by what, and how large will it get at full scale?
- Predict the failure mode: what is most likely to break - an off-by-one on the bound, a definition misread, precision, or memory?
- Predict the output of the small case from rung 3 BEFORE running it (the statement says: "For example p(1, n) = 1 and p(m, 1) = 1/m.") - then run it. A surprise here is worth more than an hour of debugging later.
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Optimization
You have a correct answer. That is the start of the learning, not the end.
- Reduce the time complexity. What is the bottleneck, and what mathematical fact removes it?
- Reduce memory. Can you stream, or keep only the last k states?
- Replace brute force with a closed form, a sieve, a recurrence, or a symmetry argument.
- Prove the optimized version computes the same thing.
- Compare two implementations and time them.
Explain it
Which step of your solution were you least confident about, and what evidence would settle it?
What did you try first, and what specifically made you abandon it - a proof, a timing, or a wrong small-case answer?
Where did the game-theory structure do the real work? Name the single observation that collapsed the search space.
Could you have reached the hashing idea faster? Which words in the statement were pointing at it, and did you notice them?
What was the bug that cost you the most time, and what CLASS of bug was it (off-by-one, definition misread, precision, state under-specified)?
How would your solution change if the bound 20 were multiplied by 1000? Does it survive, or does it need a different idea?
What is the honest complexity of what you wrote (not what you intended), and where is the remaining slack?
Which problem you have already solved is this most similar to, and what is the shared skeleton - is it really 'hashing' underneath?
State the transferable technique in one sentence, without mentioning this problem's story at all.
Self-assess (mastery is not a correct number)
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Confidence
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Mastery check
- Variation: change the bound (or a rule) in the statement. Does your method still work? What breaks first?
- Constraints: if the limit were 10× larger, which step fails, and what would you replace it with?
- Related problem: #376 · #444 · #640
- Transfer: where else does this technique appear? Name a lesson and a real computational setting.
- Spaced re-attempt: come back after the review interval and re-solve it with no hints.